Episode 6

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12th Aug 2026

Why Being Liked Isn’t Enough: The Hidden Leadership Scorecard

Listening note

This episode explores likeability, leadership perception, relationships, influence and the invisible criteria that shape opportunity at work.

You’re invited to notice the questions you ask yourself after an important meeting.

What are you measuring?

And is it the same thing everyone else is measuring?

Episode overview

Have you ever walked out of an important meeting and immediately wondered: Did they like me? Did I come across too strongly? Did I say too much?

For many capable women, these questions aren't evidence of a confidence problem. They may be evidence of something much more rational: years spent observing the unwritten rules of work.

We notice who is described as easy to work with. Who gets labelled difficult. What happens when women challenge, disagree, speak with certainty or take up authority. And from thousands of observations, we quietly construct our own ideas about what success requires.

Being collaborative. Building strong relationships. Being someone other people enjoy working with.

None of those things are wrong.

But what if they're only one event in a much bigger competition?

In this episode of The Archetype Effect, Ros introduces the metaphor of leadership as a decathlon. Likeability and relationships matter, but organisations are simultaneously forming judgements about strategic thinking, judgement, reliability, influence, courage, adaptability and the ability to handle complexity.

Drawing on nearly forty years inside organisations and coaching senior leaders, Ros explores the disconnect that can occur when women evaluate themselves against one dimension while promotion, succession and opportunity decisions are being made against a much broader picture.

Because leadership perception isn't created in one meeting.

It's built through patterns.

Every conversation, decision, challenge, promise kept, contribution made and difficult moment handled becomes another piece of evidence about the kind of leader you are.

The question, then, isn't whether you should stop caring about being liked.

It's whether likeability has been carrying too much weight in the way you evaluate your own leadership.

Perhaps there's a more useful question:

What did they learn about me as a leader today?

In this episode

  • Why capable women can become highly attuned to whether they're liked at work
  • How observation teaches us the unwritten rules long before anyone explains them
  • Why caring about relationships isn't the problem
  • The decathlon metaphor for understanding how leadership is evaluated
  • What Ros has observed inside promotion, succession and talent conversations
  • Why repeated experiences become evidence, patterns and ultimately leadership perception
  • The difference between managing impressions and intentionally demonstrating leadership
  • A simple question to ask before and after your next important meeting

Download the companion Field Guide

This episode has a companion Field Guide 6: Why Being Liked Isn't Enough.

It isn't simply a summary of the episode. It's designed to help you explore the scorecard you may have been using, consider the broader dimensions through which leadership is perceived, and identify what people are learning about you through the patterns they experience over time.

Inside, you'll explore Thinking, Leading and Relating, reflect on the patterns people may already associate with your leadership, and try the practical experiment from this episode.

👉 Download Field Guide 6 here: https://www.courses.shapingchange.com.au/womens-programs-homepage

Reflection prompts

  • After an important meeting, what question do you instinctively ask yourself?
  • Which dimensions of your leadership receive most of your attention — and which receive less?
  • If your name came up in a leadership conversation when you weren't in the room, what qualities would you hope people describe?
  • What evidence are people repeatedly experiencing about the kind of leader you are?
  • What is one leadership quality you'd like people to experience more consistently?

There’s nothing to fix here.

Only patterns to recognise.

What’s next

🎧 Next episode: The People Who Open Doors

Once people trust your judgement and capability, something else can happen: someone begins putting their own reputation behind yours.

Next time, we'll explore sponsors, advocates and champions — the people who mention your name when you're not in the room, recommend you for opportunities and quietly open doors you may never have known were there.

Want to see the frameworks being discussed?

I’ve published a set of short explainer videos on YouTube that visually walk through the leadership models and archetypal dynamics referenced in this podcast — including the Women’s Leader Archetypes.

You can explore those here:

The Archetype Effect on YouTube

These are designed to complement the podcast, not replace it — offering a visual anchor for the concepts we’re unpacking together.

Stay connected

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Website: Women’s Leader Archetypes

Working with organisations

This work is applied through leadership development, organisational development and executive coaching with individuals and organisations via Shaping Change.

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Transcript
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[00:00:23] A few years ago, I was coaching a senior leader after an executive team meeting. She walked into the room, sat down, and before I could even ask how the meeting had gone, she said, "I think I blew it." I asked her what had happened. She said, "The CFO looked really annoyed." So I asked, "Did he challenge your recommendation?"

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[00:01:17] Most of us do. What fascinated me was this: she had walked out of a meeting where her recommendation had been accepted. Nobody had questioned her capability. The discussion had moved exactly as she'd hoped, and yet the question occupying her mind had nothing to do with the quality of her thinking. It was, "Does he still like me?"

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[00:02:05] Different words, the same underlying question: What do they think of me? Before we go any further, I want to say something that I think is really important. This isn't a conversation about women lacking confidence. It's not a conversation about women being too emotional, and it's certainly not a conversation about people-pleasing.

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[00:03:04] So why do so many capable women leave important meetings wondering whether people like them? I don't think it's because there's something wrong with us. I think it's because we've been paying attention. Long before we ever became leaders, we were learning. We watched who was described as easy to work with. We noticed who was labeled difficult. We observed what happened when women challenged ideas. We noticed what happened when they didn't. Nobody sat us down and explained the rules. We simply watched, and like all human beings, we learned.

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[00:04:44] Imagine entering a decathlon. Nobody explains the rules, so you spend years becoming exceptional at the high jump. You train relentlessly. You become one of the best. Then, at the end of the competition, someone tells you, "The judges were scoring ten events." Would that make the high jump unimportant? Well, of course not. You need it. You just can't win the decathlon by excelling at one event. And I wonder if that's what's happening for many women in leadership. Many of us have spent years consciously training for one event because we believed it mattered most, building relationships, being collaborative, being someone people enjoy working with. Those things absolutely matter. But what if our organizations have been evaluating a much broader competition all along?

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[00:06:04] If you've recognized yourself in that story, I want to reassure you of something. This isn't happening because you're weak or because you lack confidence or because you're somehow more concerned with what people think than everyone else. I don't believe that's what's happening at all.

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[00:06:57] We notice the woman who speaks bluntly and is called abrasive. We notice the woman who confidently backs herself and is described as intimidating. We notice the woman who challenges a decision and somehow becomes hard work. Whether those labels are fair or not isn't the point. The point is we notice them, and human beings are extraordinary pattern recognition machines. We draw conclusions, often without even realizing we're doing it.

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[00:08:33] Now, before we judge that response, let's remember something. She's responding to a lifetime of observation. She's watched other women. She's noticed the reactions. She's trying to navigate the environment as intelligently as she can. In many ways, it's an incredibly rational strategy. If you believe your success depends on maintaining approval, of course you'll protect it.

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[00:10:14] I think this explains something that has puzzled many women. They work incredibly hard. They build great relationships. People genuinely like them, yet someone else is promoted. Someone else gets the stretch assignment. Someone else is invited into the strategic conversation. It can feel deeply confusing because by the scorecard you've been using, you've done everything right. And that's why I think this conversation matters so much, because I don't want women to stop valuing relationships. I'd hate that. Relationships are one of the greatest strengths women bring to leadership. What I do want is for us to realize that we've been competing in a decathlon not a high jump. And once you know that, you can start training for the whole competition. So the obvious question becomes, what exactly are the other nine events? Because I think that's where the hidden rule really begins.

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[00:12:04] And do you know what's fascinating? In all those years, I've never once heard someone say, "Let's give her the role because everybody likes her." Never. What I've heard sounds very different. "She has good judgment. She sees the bigger picture. She'll handle the complexity. I trust her with a client. People listen when she speaks. She's commercially astute. She asks great questions. She stays calm under pressure. She's dependable. She's ready. Now, does likability matter? Absolutely. Nobody wants to work with someone who damages relationships or creates unnecessary conflict. But that's the point. Likability isn't absent from these conversations. It's simply one part of a much bigger picture. One event in a decathlon, not the whole competition.

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[00:13:31] I often wonder how different our careers might feel if we simply change the questions we asked ourselves. Imagine walking out of that same executive meeting and instead of asking, "Did they like me?" You asked, "What did they learn about me as a leader? Did they see my judgment? Did they see how I approached a complex problem? Did they see that I could think strategically? Did they see that I listened before responding? Did they see that I stayed calm when challenged? Did they see someone they could trust with something bigger?" Those are very different questions because they're not questions about approval, they're questions about leadership.

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[00:15:33] I think that's one of the hidden rules of work. People aren't forming a single impression of us. They're noticing patterns. Every meeting, every conversation, every decision, every difficult discussion, every promise we keep, every time we speak up, every time we stay silent, every interaction adds another pattern, and over time, those patterns become the perception people hold of us as leaders. Not simply, do I like this person? But who is this person when the stakes are high? What can I rely on them for? Would I trust them with something bigger? That's the competition. Not one event, the whole decathlon. And here's the wonderful thing. Once you realize that, you stop trying to be better at just one event. You begin developing the whole athlete.

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[00:17:03] I remember working with a woman who'd just missed out on a significant promotion, and she was disappointed. But more than that, she was confused. She said, "I don't understand. Everyone tells me I'm great to work with." And they did. She was. She built strong relationships. She was dependable. People trusted her. Nobody had a bad word to say about her. So we looked at the feedback together. Not one comment suggested she needed to become more likable. Not one. Instead, the feedback sounded like this. We'd like to see more strategic thinking. We'd like to see broader organizational influence. We'd like to see her contributing more at an enterprise level. We'd like to see stronger commercial judgment. It struck me that she'd spent years polishing one part of her leadership while the organization was evaluating the whole picture. She wasn't failing. She was simply preparing for a different event.

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[00:19:23] One of the things I've learned over nearly forty years is that leadership isn't built by managing impressions. It's built by creating repeated experiences. Think about the leaders you trust most. They probably never sat down and tried to create a personal brand. Instead, they consistently demonstrated something, good judgment, reliability, curiosity, integrity, clear thinking, calm under pressure. Every interaction became another piece of evidence, another pattern, and over time, those patterns became perception.

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[00:20:44] I'd love you to try something this week. Choose one meeting, just one. Before you walk into the room, choose one leadership quality you'd like people to experience. Not hear you talk about, but experience. Then afterwards, don't ask, "Did they like me?" Ask, "What evidence did I give them today about the kind of leader I am?" Because every meeting is another event in the decathlon, and every event is another opportunity to strengthen the whole athlete.

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[00:22:08] One of the things that makes me a little sad is how much energy I've watched talented women spend wondering whether they were liked. Not because relationships aren't important, they are. Some of the most rewarding moments in our careers happen because of relationships. But because I've seen women leave meetings replaying one sentence they said, while completely overlooking the quality of the thinking they contributed. I've seen women apologize for asking important questions when nobody else in the room thought an apology was necessary. I've seen women spend an entire weekend worrying about how they came across, while everyone else had already moved on to the next challenge. That's a lot of energy, energy that could have been invested somewhere else.

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[00:23:52] If you remember nothing else from today's episode, I hope you remember this. Many women leave meetings wondering whether they were liked. The organization leaves those same meetings with a clearer picture of the leader they believe they're seeing. Those are two very different scorecards. And once you understand that, you begin investing your attention differently.

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[00:24:50] And next time, we're going to build on today's conversation because once people begin to trust your judgment, something interesting starts to happen. Some people begin putting their own reputation behind yours. They recommend you. They advocate for you. They quietly open doors you may never even know existed. We're going to explore the hidden influence of sponsors, advocates, and champions, and why careers rarely grow through hard work alone. Until then, stay curious because recognition changes everything.

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The Archetype Effect Podcast
Helping women navigate power, influence and work.
Power isn't just about position.
It's about how safe you feel to speak, lead, influence and fully inhabit who you are.
Hosted by leadership consultant, executive coach and creator of the Women's Leader Archetypes, Rosalind Cardinal, The Archetype Effect explores the hidden psychological patterns shaping women's experience of leadership, work and influence.
Through thoughtful conversations on power, organisational politics, leadership psychology, archetypes, the nervous system and Political Intelligence, Ros gives language to experiences many women have felt but rarely been able to explain.
This isn't a podcast about becoming a different leader.
It's about recognising the invisible forces shaping how you lead—and discovering what becomes possible when power no longer feels like performance.
Whether you're leading a team, building a business, navigating organisational politics, coaching others, or stepping into greater influence, each episode offers practical insight grounded in psychology, lived experience and more than three decades of leadership consulting and executive coaching.
Together we'll explore:
• Women's leadership and authentic power
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• Leadership psychology and the nervous system
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Because leadership isn't just about what you do.
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Rosalind Cardinal

Rosalind Cardinal is an award-winning organisational development consultant, leadership strategist, and the creator of the Women’s Leader Archetypes™ — a breakthrough model helping women reclaim power that feels authentic, intentional, and deeply their own.

For more than three decades, Ros has coached senior leaders across government, corporate, and non-profit sectors, specialising in leadership behaviour, political intelligence, organisational culture, and the psychology of influence. Her work blends evidence-based practice, systems thinking, archetypal frameworks, and the lived realities of women leading in complex environments.

Ros is best known for turning intricate ideas into practical, usable tools. She teaches leaders and coaches how to navigate power, purpose, and politics with clarity, emotional intelligence, and strategic presence. Through her signature diagnostics, leadership programs, and speaking work, she helps women move from performance to genuine leadership — the kind that shapes teams, organisations, and futures.

On The Archetype Effect, Ros brings all of this together: part insight, part strategy, part grounded wisdom. Expect rich conversations, archetype deep-dives, personal reflections, and the kind of leadership truths that shift how you see yourself and your place in the world.